Interview with B-Boy Spy (Crazy Commanders)

                                          Interview with B-Boy Spy (Crazy Commanders)

                                                                  

Spy (Crazy Commanders)

                                                    

                                   conducted by Sir Norin Rad (The Intruders / Germany)

SIR NORIN RAD:“When and where were you born?"

SPY:"I was born in Santurce, Puerto Rico in 1963."

SIR NORIN RAD:"When did you come to the USA?"

SPY:"My moms brought me here when I was three years old. So that would be 1966."

SIR NORIN RAD:"Did you move directly to New York City or did you live somewhere else before you went there?"

SPY:"No, we moved straight to the Bronx."

SIR NORIN RAD:"To what kind of music were you exposed as young child growing up?"

SPY:"I grew up to Salsa music. I got mad family members that are musicians. My uncle is a musician. They had congas, they had timbales. I grew up with all that right by me, you know what I'm saying?"

SIR NORIN RAD:"So I guess you started Salsa dancing at a very young age?"

SPY:"Yeah, yeah, yeah...I used to be dancing, wilding out! I was alway crazy hyperactive, like I was crazy energetic. I was like the most super energetic kid out of all of us. So whenever they started going in...like playing congas or whatever...I started going in."   

SIR NORIN RAD:"When did you become aware of the park jams in the Bronx where DJs would cut up breakbeats and had the B-Boys going off?"

SPY:"You could say by 1977 'cause it was like before the Blackout 'cause the Blackout was in 1977. Towards 1977 that's when we was rocking with all that, you know what I'm saying? That's when I had moved to the opposite side of the Bronx towards Burnside Avenue...with Aqueduct. That's when I became more aware of it. It was already out but it blossomed. I didn't even realize how it blossomed so much and so quick. I was like,"Wow!"That's when I got down with Shorty Rock (B-Boy of the Crazy Commanders) and them. My moms was constantly moving so she had moved to that part of the Bronx. She was poor, she was trying to get situated. Every six months she would move. She was moving all over the place. To be honest with you before the jams in the parks and the parties in the clubs they was playing music out the window and we was on the block dancing. We used to steal the barricades that the police used to stop the cars and we used to put them on the block and we used to block the street so the cars won’t come in and people from two or three  blocks would be outside jamming. We used to rock like that!!! That was before I went to the park jams and all that. That was before everything. A lot of people don’t even know that. But I went to a lot of park jams, too. Definitely.“

SIR NORIN RAD:“Who inspired you to start Breaking and to come up with your legendary moves?“

SPY:“Nobody inspired me. There wasn’t no other B-Boys that inspired me to come up with my moves. It was just me being crazy active and creative and when I used to hear music I started to dance..I responded to the music. I guess you could say that I started from looking at the Russians doing their traditional type of dance steps and gymnastics. You see the gymnastic things where the people go like this? I was trying to do that while I was on the floor doing swipes. I was trying to do that but I was doing it while I was listening to the beats. I did that at the same and it just blended, it just formed....From there it just created itself. I never meant to create no dance, no style it just came out. My family got videos of me when I was like 6, 7, 8 years old going down trying to do what the Russians used to do.  I used to be trying to do it, too. And then I started to insert gymnastic moves 'cause I was going to school for gymnastics, right? I used to love gymnastics when I was young. I don't know why. So it all blended together. I was going around on the floor like this...then I tried to put my hands on the floor and go like this. At first it wouldn't work so I guess slowly, slowly it took its form...with the music it all blended together. I guess that's how it all began. Slowly, slowly it created itelf. So when I used to go out to the jams and they would play the beats outside I jut started to go down. Before you know it everybody was like,"Uuuuh!!!! Aaaah!!!" And all of a sudden it was like two, three, four of us doing it!!! And before you know it, it was a whole bunch of people doing it. It just blossomed like a flower. I never thought it would be so big. I never took credit for these moves, I never said nothing. I never thought it would blow up. BUT I created breakdancing itself on the floor. I did create it and that's a fact. Others they created their own moves, their own steps on the floor. Yeah! But a lot of it came from me. I made up all my moves, I had a bunch of moves. During my time..in the 1970ies...I had my own moves, you know what I'm saying? A lot of the moves that other B-Boys would do are mine 'cause they took mines and they developed it and did stuff with it.....to each his own. A lot of them also created their own moves which is beautiful. I love it. I'm taking nothig from none of them. I really got no other explanation to it but I could tell you slowly but surely as time went on...one move after another ....one step after another that's how it went. From me doing this whatever, whatever Russian looking style to a horsey type thing. That's how it went."

SIR NORIN RAD:"How did your crew come into existence? What does CC Crew stand for?"

SPY:"The CC Crew is the Crazy Commanders. Two Cs. It was created in what? 1977. It was started by me and Shorty Rock when my moms moved to Burnside Avenue. I met Shorty Rock there and he tried to bring me back out 'cause I had had an accident. I was doing gymnastics and I ran into a tree. Boom!! I was going backwards, backwards and I ran into a tree. I almost died, you know what I'm saying? I still got the scars. I lost my memory, I was messed up for a long time. Anyways my moms moved to where Shorty Rock lived. That's where I started all over again. I didn't even know who I was or nothing. It was like a whole new beginning. So I had met Shorty Rock and them and they was already doing it. It was already growing on that side of the Bronx. That was like the end of 1976.  Imagine! And I was coming from the Southeast Bronx. Breaking had already taken off and I didn't even know. The CC Crew....it was me, Shorty Rock, Twinkle Toes, Mongo Rock......Mongo Rock was the truth!!!!!!!!!! Jojo and his brother.....a lot of people don't wanna give Jojo props but he was the truth!!! We had Manny, Trace 2. That was basically the heart 'cause that was our block. Everybody else came from elsewhere. There was a bunch of us. We were going around and taking out every crew there was. Just to make a name, all over the Bronx! I'm talking about they would call for us and we would go just break against everybody. Everybody that thought they was somebody we would go to their block and take 'em out. Just to make a name! CC stood for Crazy Commanders because we commanded everything in the Bronx!!!! There was also the C Crew....the Casablanca Crew. They was nice!!! There was the KC Crew. There was the Mexican Crew. There was the Nine Crew. They came out like 170th Street.  They became stick-up kids after breakdancing. A lot of them got locked up. There was a lot of B-Boy crews! I'm talking about a lot of crews. Not just four or five. You had the Zulu Kings. They had been part of the Black Spades before. You had the Ching-A-Lings..that gang...they had a B-Boy crew that became known as The Rockwell Association. There was TBB....The Bronx Boys..that is still around to this day. There was Starchild La Rock and TDK. And I'm only talking about these parts of the Bronx because I can't really tell you too much about Soundview where I really came from because my moms moved me to this side when I was still very young. I was too young but I was really from that side of the Bronx. That's why we called ourselves the Crazy Commanders because as I said we commanded everything in the Bronx. The Southeast Bronx...they wanted no parts of us even though I was really from their side but I made it my business to make a lot of noise with my CC Crew."  

 B-Boy Shorty Rock (The Crazy Commanders) with Fly Girl Mari

 

SIR NORIN RAD:"So originally you're from the Soundview section of the Bronx? So you're familiar with Bronxdale, Castle Hill, Monroe, Bronx River....?"

SPY:"Yeah, yeah, you're right. I know all these places but I'm from Bronx River!!"

SIR NORIN RAD:"I was told that you and Trace 2 were Writers that bombed trains together back then. You were called Space and Trace. You wrote SPACE, correct?"

SPY:"Not too many people know about this, Norin. Yeah, that was my partner. I used to write Graffiti. I was all over the 4s. I had the 4s locked at one time!! And I had a little bit of the 2s and 5s. I was running all over the train tracks. That whole Graffiti thing is a big part of our B-Boy history, too. Hitting up the insides with the uni wide markers...all that. Trace and me.. we were all inked up. I had my room full of ink. My mom used to hate that shit.  (laughs)."

Tag by Trace 2 (Spy's partner)

 

SIR NORIN RAD:"Let us talk now about another partner of yours namely Shorty Rock. Please describe how you met him and what kind of relationship you had!"

SPY:"Like I told you I met him on Burnside Ave. We used to live by Yankee Stadium so when I had like the accident I got hurt. You know, I crashed doing gymnastics. I lost my memory. All I remember is that my moms moved to Burnside Avenue. That's where I met Shorty Rock and we blossomed as friends and we became partners. We're still friends to this day, we're like brothers. We're still good. "

SIR NORIN RAD:"Did you live in the same building?"

SPY:"Yeah, we lived in the same building. He used to live on the first floor and I used to live on the third. To be honest with you, my son comes from his sister. Okay? So that will tell you how close we are."

SIR NORIN RAD:"Did you attend the same high school?"

SPY:"Not the same high school, we went to the same junior high school. Not to the same high school 'cause I went to DeWitt Clinton High School. Shorty went somewhere else. When I went to high school, they had moved him to Texas or California. He left the Bronx. That's how we lost contact.  After junior high school when I went to high school his family took him and sent him to..I think to Houston. That's how we lost contact."

SIR NORIN RAD:"What was the name of that junior high school which you and Shorty Rock both attended?"

SPY:" I.S. 137. There were a lot of B-Boys in there, too. A lot of battles took place in there, too. Everybody tried to compete against us."

SIR NORIN RAD:"Where did these battles take place at?"

SPY:"Outside in the schoolyard or you could say in the cafeteria, too. In the caefeteria, too, but in the hallways though. Not in the cafeteria itself  but in the hallways of the cafeteria because you couldn't do it in the cafeteria. They wouldn't like that."

SIR NORIN RAD:"Please describe how these battles would go down!"

SPY:"We would lean against the wall and do a circle. You go down, we go down. Like that! You know, the hallways is big 'cause it was a big school. Everybody up against the wall. You go down, we go down. There weren't too many of us. It ain't like the whole Crazy Commanders Crew was there. Just a few of us and a few of them and you would probably have a couple of class members and a whole bunch of people on the staircase witnessing what was going on or whatever. Somebody would have a tape player...them old shits and we would get busy on the floor. It used to be cassettes!"

SIR NORIN RAD:"What lead to these battles? Was it like other B-Boys talked shit about you and you went to them and took them out? Or did they come to you and challenge you directly?"

SPY:"Exactly! I guess they would say, "Yo, so and so think they're better than you!" And we would tell them, "Tell them, we wanna dance against them!" The word would get out, you know what I'm saying? The word always got out. I don't know how but the word always got out. The word would always reach us. Let's say through school or through the blocks the word always got out regardless! If I wanted to dance against you and you would live let's say 20 blocks up, in school the word would get to you 'cause in school everybody knows like everybody. "

SIR NORIN RAD:"Is it correct that whole crews were looking for you back then?"

SPY:"Yeah, like that!  Or they would invite me to their block.  "Yo, Spy! Come down to 170th! We wanna dance against you!" You know? Or,"Spy, they're rocking down in Cedar Park! Come down! We wanna battle against y'all!" "Echo Park! We gonna battle against y'all!" And it would be like five or six of them against me and Shorty Rock."

SIR NORIN RAD:"So you're saying you two would take out whole crews?"

SPY:"Hell yeah! That's how it used to be! Depending on the DJ that's rocking we would rock. We would dance against them and beat them real quick and we would stay there rocking. And then we would make friends with them and before you know it they would be joining us. That's how it used to be. That's how my crew got so big! We would dance against them and before they knew it they would befriend us an they would become CC Crew with us. That's how I met Batch and them. That's how I met TBB. These two kids that I knew Manny and his brother Richie they brought Batch and two other B-Boys from the opposite side of the Bronx to battle me and Shorty Rock and we went at it with them. They were really good. We was going at it, going at it and I ended up beating them because I did some real crazy off the wall shit. I did some stuff that nobody had ever seen. We ended up beating them and that's how we became close with them."

SIR NORIN RAD:"Please elaborate on how you practiced and how built up your arsenal of moves! Did you practice alone or did you practice with Shorty Rock?"

SPY:"Both. We would do both. We would practice together and we would practice alone 'cause remember we wasn't always together. At first we practiced together. We made up routines. We had mad routines!!! That's why we was so good together. And I practiced alone that's why I had so many moves. I used to practice in the living room and in the kitchen.....anywhere I had a chance."

SIR NORIN RAD:"How often did you go to the jams back then?"

SPY:"Every weekend! Every weekend! You could even say damn near everyday. They would be jamming outside or they would do house parties and birthday parties. That's why I say everyday 'cause they would invite you to all sorts of parties like that. We used to dance damn near everyday. In the beginning there wasn't no flyers. The flyers came later. When Grandmaster Flash and DJ Charlie Chase started to play music in the parks there wasn't no flyers. That's before they became famous and started to play in the discos and all that. They was out in the parks.  They was out in the blocks. That was before flyers. The flyers came in secondary so that we knew where to go. That's why the flyers came in 'cause they saw that everybody was so hyped up and loved the music."

SIR NORIN RAD:"Let us talk about some of the crews that you faced in battles back in the 1970ies. What do recall about The Mexicans? Where were The Mexicans from? Is it true that they were from University Avenue?"

SPY:"They were lead by a girl called Wanda. She was a butch. She was good though. They was from Walton Avenue. They were like four blocks down from University Avenue, way down. Yeah, they was from Walton. I was more closer to University Avenue and I'm not from University Avenue. It used to be.. look...you had University Avenue, then Aqueduct, then you got Harrison Ave, right? Then you got Grand Avenue and then you got Walton Avenue. Wanda was good. I had a girlfriend named Evie that was super nice better than her. Evie was super nice and she never got no props. I didn't even know that she knew how to dance. Everybody was telling me, "Yo Spy, your girlfriend is nice!" I never paid it no mind and she was super nice. In reality when I finally paid her attention I saw that she was nice, nice, nice! I said," Oh, shit! You are nice!!" Word!"

SIR NORIN RAD:"How did you get that name SPY?"

SPY:"I got it from a gang member that gave it to me when I was like real little. A gang member gave it to me in a backyard they was trying to put me as a Baby Skull. I don't remember too much. I was about 7 or 8 years old. I don't know where they got it from but they gave it to me and it has been my name since then."

SIR NORIN RAD:"Who was the KC Crew and what was your relationship like?"

SPY:"KC Crew that was a Black crew. Those were black B-Boys. KC...I think that stood for Kool Crew. They was all about smoking weed and all that but they was also dancing. They was all Blacks. Like we was more Latinos, they was all Blacks. We used to go up against them a lot!"

SIR NORIN RAD:"Please name the spots where you battled the KC Crew at!"

SPY:"They would come and we would come! It would be all over! Like in the jams..we would come to Cedar Park or we would go to Echo Park or we would go wherever they was calling us. The majority of times they would call us. Most of the time it would be like,"Oh, they're rocking in Echo Park! They're all gonna be there!" So then we went there and started dancing against them. We would draw a crowd as soon as the circle formed. Like that! It wasn't really like no call outs. We would just be going to the parties and they would be there. It got crazier and crazier because the scene got bigger and bigger. A month from now you would be dancing against other B-Boys. More people! Like that! The thing was that we didn't realize it. We thought it was just people  coming out of nowhere but they was already there. In reality it was growing!! We didn't even know because we were still young. Back then I was just having fun but now I understand what really went down. It grew all over the Bronx!"

SIR NORIN RAD:"So since you were uniquely gifted you were able to defeat all these other B-Boys which in turn inspired many of the younger onlookers to pick up Breaking? It was like planting seeds...."

SPY:"Exactly! That's exactly what I mean because the younger generation saw it and they fell in love with it. Now all of a sudden they wanted to do it, too. They loved it because it was cool and it drew attention. At that time everybody wanted to be a B-Boy."

SIR NORIN RAD:"I was told that many Puerto Rican B-Boy Crews  brought people from their block to the jams so that they would cheer them on. Was that also true for the Crazy Commanders?"

SPY:"Yeah, yeah! Exactly! The whole block would be there. Not the whole entire thing but the majority of the girls and the kids that loved the music and all that. The teenagers would be there and the ones that wanted to follow them...the wannabees, you know?"

SIR NORIN RAD:"Jojo told me that battling The Mexicans back then was always risky because whenever they felt that they were losing the battle they would start fights....."

SPY:"Right, right. They always wanted to fight. They always got mad. Yeah! It was like that with the majority of all the crews. Most crews got mad, not only The Mexicans. They didn't want to lose. But The Mexicans they was like on it because they were our neighbours. So they always got mad. That's what it was. Jojo said that because The Mexicans were our neighbours so they were more mad than anybody 'cause they couldn't beat us. You know how it is when you're next to the champion and you can't beat the champion. You're gonna be mad. Wanda...she was their leader and she gassed them all up to be against us. We was all real young so anyways. Her whole thing was to beat us and then if they can't beat us on the floor to beat us up physically. To kick us.. all that type of stuff. So I invented some moves that helped me to kick their ass, too. Do a spin and kick them in their face or whatever. I would be like,"Fuck it! Whatever! We fight!" 'Cause I was really fighting, too. We used to have alot of fights with them. I used to have Trace 2 on my side. Trace 2 was gigantic. He would back us up. Then we had Manny and them. They was big and fat. They didn't dance but they was big and fat. So they used to be like our big bodyguards. When I think about it, we used to have a lot of fun!!!"

B-Girl Wanda (President of The Mexicans)

SIR NORIN RAD:"Please shed some light on B-Boy Twinkle Toes from The Crazy Commanders!"

SPY:"Oh yeah, Twinkle Toes!! He was a black kid. He used live right around the corner from us. Yeah, he was nice!! He used to dance on his toes at that time. He was the only one that was able to dance on his toes and all that. Like he used to uprock on his toes. That's what I'm trying to tell you. He was Black and half Puerto Rican but his family was more Black. He used to uprock on his toes which a lot of people couldn't do at the time. Like really, really uprock on their toes. We couldn't do that, you know what I mean? The same way with the handglide.....Weeble (TBB) for me was the first guy who ever did the handglide. We couldn't do that either. We learnt it but we couldn't do it the way he did it at first. We were amazed! He was the one that taught us that shit, you know what I mean? Jojo said he invented the backspin. I give it to him, he was the first B-Boy who ever did a spin like that but I had already done other spins."

SIR NORIN RAD:"What was the stomping ground of the Crazy Commanders crew? Like where did you hang out at on the regular?"

SPY:"We used to hang out on 180th Street & Aqueduct. That was our little park right there. Well, you could also say that we used to hang out on 184th Street between Creston Avenue and Morris Avenue. There used to be a school there....115. Right across the street there was a little candy store where we used to hang out at. That was our real stomping ground. That's where we was all at. I could say that we was there more than anywhere else. That's where we used to meet at. We would listen to music and talk about this and that. Right around the corner is Fordham Road. So we liked to go to different stores and go shoplifting. We used to be little thieves, too. Don't get it twisted. That's where we got our Lees and all our shit from. Remember we really had no money so if you wasn't selling a little bit of weed here and there we were shoplifting or stealing. To us it was having fun. That's the way we looked at it. We didn't know the difference."

SIR NORIN RAD:"Did the Crazy Commanders wear gear in a specific color combination?"

SPY:" No, our color was blue. Straight up blue. We wore straight up all Lee Suits with white T-Shirts under it. So you could say our colors was blue and white. We didn't really have a specific trademark, you know what I'm saying? But I gotta say I was really more of a loner. I used to go out by myself most of the time. So I hung out a lot with B-Boys from other crews. I used hang out with Trace 2 and we would meet other Writers. "

SIR NORIN RAD:"How did you come up with the Six Step and the CCs? I have seen many cats online crediting you with the creation of these footwork patterns."

SPY:"You know what's so crazy about it? They say I invented the Six Step and other types of steps but I don't even know what that is.  I don't know what that is!!! I really don't know what the hell a Six Step is!!! I just know I go down and I dance. I swear to God I'm not lying to you. They made up all these names later. They didn't come from me. Bro, I don't know what the hell they're talking about!! All I know is I created Breaking on the floor. Six Step, Ten Step, Twelve Step...I don't know nothing about that. These people put names on things that they don't even understand. If that's a Six Step. What do you call going the opposite way???? Come on! You're serious? I'm not here to shoot their shit down. Like I said to each his own. At least they gave it publicity which kept my moves alive. I'll give 'em that much and I'll give 'em props for that. "

SIR NORIN RAD:"What about that title "The man with a thousand moves"? Was that given to you in the 1970ies or was it attached to your name like later on?"

SPY:"No, that was already given to me in the seventies 'cause I was so nice. They didn't know how many moves I had so they thought I had a thousand moves. You know, they thought I had a thousand moves but they failed to realize that I had a million! They should have named me "The man with  a million moves", you know?!"

SIR NORIN RAD:"Who gave you that name?"

SPY: "I don't even know how that came about. Somebody came up with it and it just stuck."

SIR NORIN RAD:"What do you remember about the day when Jojo and his brother Easy Mike came to your building in order to battle you and Shorty Rock?"

SPY:"Not too much, honestly. He wasn't all that good that day. He needed practice. His footwork was twisted. I don't mean to shoot him down. Don't get me wrong. That's my boy, you know what I'm saying? But his footwork was sloppy. That's the way I looked at it. And I helped him a lot later on. But to battle him....it wasn't really no competition. The only B-Boy that used to give me competition was Mongo Rock.When he was part of The Crazy Commanders he wanted to dance against me like everyday. But Jojo when I first met him he was alright. I don't take nothing from him."

Mongo Rock and Spy (The Crazy Commanders)

 

SIR NORIN RAD:"How did you meet Mongo Rock?"

SPY:"He wanted to dance against me, too. His brother Jesus I met through Mongo Rock. Jesus was part of the Casablanca Crew. He was a little older than us."

SIR NORIN RAD:"And you're saying that Mongo Rock was your toughest competitor back then?"

SPY:"Yeah! 'Cause he used to take my moves and tried to change them. He was very smart. He went against me everyday, so he was learning from me. He was like the baddest one out there.....quiet as kept. He was super nice!!!! Nobody ever gave him that props."

SIR NORIN RAD:"What exactly do you mean when you say you battled everyday?"

SPY:"It means we hang out today, tomorrow we hang out, the next day we hang out...like that. We would be out in the streets, talking to girls, copping sneakers or whatever and somewhere along  the day we would be  dancing against each other 'cause we would hear breakbeats somewhere. He would challenge me and I would be like, "Nah, come on! Get out of here, man!" So then he would be like, "You're scared?" So then we ended up dancing against each other again. You know, like that!"

SIR NORIN RAD:"So he would battle you even if there was no one else around?"

SPY:"Even if there's no one around! That's the whole shit. Even if there's no one around, that don't mean no difference. We used to have our own boombox or whatever. He used to carry a boombox or I had my own. We always had music! There was never a day that we didn't have music back then. To this day...I don't live without music. I don't ! You can ask my girl! I need it! That's my energizer! Without that I don't have no energy. Energy! Without that I think I would die! I love music. As a B-Boy I came up on music. It moves me. I guess that's what started it all...the love for the music!!!!"

SIR NORIN RAD:"It seems as if Mongo Rock was fanatical about Breaking..."

SPY:"Yo, I swear to everything I love....Mongo Rock was a B-Boy fanatic!!!!! (excited)  But that's my brother! That's how he was! He was like dying to beat me so bad but at the same time he was my brother and it was like nothing! I can't even explain it. He was so cool about it! I guess he wasn't even trying to beat me. I guess he was just trying to learn. That's what it really was. He was good! To me he was the baddest!!!!!!!!!!!!!" 

SIR NORIN RAD:"Since you've mentioned going shopping for B-Boy gear I would like to ask you what kind of gear did you rock back in 1977, 1978, 1979?"

SPY:"You want me to tell you something? Mongo Rock was the first Kangol Kid!!! Was it Mongo? Yeah, I think Mongo was the first B-Boy to wear a Kangol. He loved them shits!!! He had a red one, and a black one and a white one. Not a huge collection but he's the one who created the Kangol for the B-Boy. That was in 1978 or 1979. I quit Breaking in 1982. I'm the one who created the fucking baseball cap joint. Remember the baseball cap to the side? I used to not like hats but being that I had so much hair at the time I used to wear baseball caps just to hold my shit down."

SIR NORIN RAD:"What about the sneakers?"

SPY:"Back then we had Pro-Keds....the Super Pro-Keds and the Pro-Keds 69ers. Those were nice!! We would get them from Jew Man's. It was right there on Tremont Avenue. They had one on Tremont and they had one on Southern Boulevard, too. The one on Southern Boulevard was the one that was hot! I think that was the first one. I used to love BVD's, too. I used to love mocknecks. But we was more into sweatsuits. When I was B-Boying what we was really into was Lee Suits. Lees with the acrylic letters.....we had our name on the side of our leg. Because we used to be graffiti Writers so we put mad designs on our Lees. Like our B-Boy or crew names. You ever heard of P-Body 170 (The Crazy Artists / Starchild La Rock)?  He was super nice in graffiti so I used to let him do my shit 'cause I wanted it to be perfect! He was like the baddest out of all of us in drawing and shit. I also used to love the Playboys and the British Walkers."

Whole Car by P-Body 170 (TCA/ Starchild La Rock)

SIR NORIN RAD:"So what are your top three breakbeats of all time?"

SPY:""Apache" by The Incredible Bongo Band, "It's Just Begun" by The Jimmy Castor Bunch and  "Trans Europe Express" by Kraftwerk. There were more.... The DJs used  to cut up the break part of the record. They didn't play the whole record. That's why I don't remember a lot of the songs from back then. I only remember the beats. I loved that shit."

SIR NORIN RAD:"Thank you so much for the interview!"

SPY:"You're welcome, my brother."